How many patients has Berenson seen? Zilch, de nada. Lives have been saved with Ivermectin; Berenson doesn’t know what he is talking about. Denigrating vaccine-injured people out of pure ignorance shows the character or lack of by the man. Berenson is practicing medicine without a license.
I am disappointed with some of the attacks against Berenson. Some are acting like he is either Fauci or the devil incarnate himself. I had to look him up and to my surprise he is one of the good guys condemning the vaccines and handling of the “pandemic” from the get go! So, he disagrees on Ivermectin. That’s small potatoes.
This and the attacks against each other over whether or not viruses exist are not helpful. In fact, it makes me think we must be making some headway in exposing the truth. As truth comes to light the devil behind the evil becomes desperate and wants nothing more than to have us arguing and discrediting one another. The dissension within is distracting from the progress being made. Let’s not forget who the real enemy is.
Alex has been all over Twitter making jabs (pun intended) about Ivermectin. A shame he cannot find the humility to see his error. Pierre was terrific. Do not stop, do not back down!
Pierre KILLED it!! Steve, can VSRF post an excerpt of this video that is just the debate between Pierre and Alex? This is incredibly powerful and will become a new tool in my ivermectin red-pilling toolkit.
Berenson's low integrity arrogance in the face of Kory's excellently articulated method is a good proxy for how the typical "educated" person "thinks." The level of patience Kory had with his juvenile antics is quite impressive.
I think it is ridiculous that ANY journalist thinks they know more about medical treatments than a highly credentialed medical practitioner- especially one with Kory’s experience. Seems like a waste of time and nothing to see here.
I think Alex is a decent guy trying to do the right thing. However, he is like most people in that he grew up believing all of the institutions that "define" America generally work. He is having a hard time coming to grips with the notion that all of our defining institutions in fact do not work and are inherently corrupt. His comments about the Russian/Ukrainian war earlier this year made this abundantly clear. It is not an easy thing for many people to realize that all that we were brought up to believe in has become corrupted and inept.
I think his John Wells novels, which are quite good, express this ambivalence. These novels depict the spy agencies as being inept and corrupted in the manner we are now seeing with the medical establishment. I think writing these novels was actually quite therapeutic for Alex in that they allowed him to express this corruption and ineptitude in fictional form such that he could believe this was not the case in the real world.
Alex must be really feeling his oats now that he “won” and is back on his beloved Twitter. Kinda dumb of him to sign up to match wits with the incomparable Dr. Pierre Kory, who not only has enormous experience with IVM, but also actually gives a shit about his fellow human beings.
IMO, everyone is controlled opposition, to some degree. The intel community prob. told AB, 'you can trash the vax, as long as you also trash IVM, and push the establishment version of 9/11.' They REALLY don't want us to see the big picture, their 100 year plan, the 4,000 patents on the SARS coronavirus, all the dead microbiologists....
I noticed that at the end of the discussion you brought up your substack discussion with folks who claim that SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t exist. I’d be willing to debate a different issue - that there’s no way to show that a positive PCR test for this virus says anything about whether it represents a significant fraction of the total of all respiratory viruses at a given time in a human.
Great job moderating this Steve! Your non-verbal comments kept me smiling and laughing. I give Alex credit for showing up, but zero credit for a closed mind to facts and data. I know there are things he doesn't seem to know; I was just surprised at how much! When you said you were a subscriber to his Substack, I said, "Yeah, so was I until he ambushed Malone on live TV. Then I went to "free" and subscribed to Steve's instead!" I'd rather support VSRF and not someone suing the blue bird for what I've perceived to be ego-driven reasons.
You're right - Pierre knocked it out of the park. SO many good comments and good reasoning. I had to leave shortly after Alex did, so will have to catch the rest of the conversation when it goes up.
Berenson's comment that it is the vaccines that constitute the important issue, not Ivermectin is an absurdity and an infuriating obfuscation: the two things are inextricably linked and part of the same issue and he knows that. Alex is an empty suit, an opportunist and a fake. I have bought some of his pamphlets and he certainly did some good at the outset of the COVID crisis, but his moment has passed. He is deeply deceptive.
Alex is pretty far off the mark regarding the body count for shots, let alone hospital fatalities. The Columbia U Study estimated a lower bound of 167k deaths for Feb to Aug of 2021 alone. Steve had a similar estimate. Alex is hasty in calling Steve conspiratorial. This is about data, not conspiracies. It comes down to hiding the bodies. Alex complained “but they’d show up as excess deaths!” Well, yeah, as a matter of fact! As Ed Dowd has shown as well. Because Alex has a voice, his grasp of this topic should be in line with the data. David Martin has a very different posture: Fauci, Pfizer and Moderna are going down! That’s because he has the goods.
Excellent conversation Steve. You interrupted and asked exactly the right questions at exactly the right miment, just as a good facilitator should do. Pierre smoked him but we all knew that was what would happen anyway. Hat tip to Alex for being willing to discuss the subject with someone that disagrees with him. I left that conversation feeling even better about taking IVM.
You are a national treasure. No WAY is it possible to imagine how Dr. Kory keeps his cool around such arrogant ignorance but you both did a great gracious job.
The "vaccines" are still under "emergency use authorization", as in not actually FDA "approved", right?
So, if there were therapeutics readily available, that are "proven" to reduce severe symptoms - would the gov't not be able to mandate the vax under "EAU"??
They don't want you to make ppl better at the risk of losing their emergency authority
Sadly, this is not my idea of a worthwhile debate. Berenson is not a doctor or healthcare professional of any kind. In my opinion, and as reflected by the many snarky, "I'm always right, even though I don't know what I'm talking about" comments he's made on Substack about Ivermectin and those who've used it, I don't see how this will be the kind of meaningful, balanced conversation that needs to happen with a real influencer whose opposition is based on carefully researched facts and information. I'll pass.
I think the efficacy of IVM has changed with omicron based on my personal experience. First time I got sick and took it, I was better 12 hours later. COVID was not confirmed, just suspected. I just got over confirmed COVID for what I believe to be the second time. I took 48 mg of IVM for two weeks. It still took a month to fully feel like I was 100% again.
It's a journalist debating a bonafide clinician who's treated patients... It's not even a fair debate. No way AB changes his mind however. His hubris is off the charts. There's already overwhelming evidence out there if you choose to research.
Berenson took the IVM stance he did to say "See how nuanced and well balanced I am? My Ivy League friends, please oh please welcome me back to civil society." Kick his groveling ass today, Dr Kory.
What is there to debate? Ivermectin like many drugs and supplements including vitamin C, curcumin and resveratrol, inhibits replication of viral mRNA by boosting heme oxygenase-1, the Universal Stress Enzyme.
HO1 breaks down heme proteins into (antiviral) carbon monoxide, bilirubin and ferritin. This pathway also releases a lot heat that causes fever when HO1 is high, but lower than normal temp when HO1 is chronically low (<97F)
Dr. Kory knows medicine. Alex knows flawed studies. I saw ivermectin transform my husband with just one dose. I know it doesn’t work that way for everyone but I’m a believer. And with all of the patients Dr. Kory has cured, it doesn’t even seem like a fair fight. A lightweight & a heavyweight 😉
How many patients has Berenson seen? Zilch, de nada. Lives have been saved with Ivermectin; Berenson doesn’t know what he is talking about. Denigrating vaccine-injured people out of pure ignorance shows the character or lack of by the man. Berenson is practicing medicine without a license.
I can't find the video on Rumble. Will someone please provide a link? Thank you.
I am disappointed with some of the attacks against Berenson. Some are acting like he is either Fauci or the devil incarnate himself. I had to look him up and to my surprise he is one of the good guys condemning the vaccines and handling of the “pandemic” from the get go! So, he disagrees on Ivermectin. That’s small potatoes.
This and the attacks against each other over whether or not viruses exist are not helpful. In fact, it makes me think we must be making some headway in exposing the truth. As truth comes to light the devil behind the evil becomes desperate and wants nothing more than to have us arguing and discrediting one another. The dissension within is distracting from the progress being made. Let’s not forget who the real enemy is.
Alex has been all over Twitter making jabs (pun intended) about Ivermectin. A shame he cannot find the humility to see his error. Pierre was terrific. Do not stop, do not back down!
Why is Pierre Kory so dreamy?! :)
I think the Trump aspect is secondary to the issue of cheap, generic drugs. Pharma is a mafia.
Great show. Ego will not allow Berenson to change his mind.
Pierre KILLED it!! Steve, can VSRF post an excerpt of this video that is just the debate between Pierre and Alex? This is incredibly powerful and will become a new tool in my ivermectin red-pilling toolkit.
Berenson's low integrity arrogance in the face of Kory's excellently articulated method is a good proxy for how the typical "educated" person "thinks." The level of patience Kory had with his juvenile antics is quite impressive.
Steve, can you send a link to the comments that you said you'd send to Pierre & Alex?
Sorry I missed it not receiving email notifications for some of my subscriptions. Can't wait to watch.
I admire both men for being willing to have an honest debate and discussion. Thank you for making this happen. I hope it is respectful and deliberate.
I think it is ridiculous that ANY journalist thinks they know more about medical treatments than a highly credentialed medical practitioner- especially one with Kory’s experience. Seems like a waste of time and nothing to see here.
I think Alex is a decent guy trying to do the right thing. However, he is like most people in that he grew up believing all of the institutions that "define" America generally work. He is having a hard time coming to grips with the notion that all of our defining institutions in fact do not work and are inherently corrupt. His comments about the Russian/Ukrainian war earlier this year made this abundantly clear. It is not an easy thing for many people to realize that all that we were brought up to believe in has become corrupted and inept.
I think his John Wells novels, which are quite good, express this ambivalence. These novels depict the spy agencies as being inept and corrupted in the manner we are now seeing with the medical establishment. I think writing these novels was actually quite therapeutic for Alex in that they allowed him to express this corruption and ineptitude in fictional form such that he could believe this was not the case in the real world.
Give Alex time. He will come around eventually.
I used to follow Alex but he's a leftist. He still believes the new York times wouldn't lie. I rest my case.
Notice that at one point Alex just gratuitously claimed that blood thinners work? Their benefits vs costs have come under increasing scrutiny.
Alex must be really feeling his oats now that he “won” and is back on his beloved Twitter. Kinda dumb of him to sign up to match wits with the incomparable Dr. Pierre Kory, who not only has enormous experience with IVM, but also actually gives a shit about his fellow human beings.
IMO, everyone is controlled opposition, to some degree. The intel community prob. told AB, 'you can trash the vax, as long as you also trash IVM, and push the establishment version of 9/11.' They REALLY don't want us to see the big picture, their 100 year plan, the 4,000 patents on the SARS coronavirus, all the dead microbiologists....
That was good but I paused the ending about virus comments and now only preview available…don’t edit that part out please! :)
Unfortunately I couldn't make it either - difficult time zones... can't wait to see it on Rumble!!
Can't wait for the full video to drop for this on Rumble -- wasn't able to tune in live.
As always, endless thanks, Mr. Steve!! I can't waiT to watch!!
Steve,
I noticed that at the end of the discussion you brought up your substack discussion with folks who claim that SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t exist. I’d be willing to debate a different issue - that there’s no way to show that a positive PCR test for this virus says anything about whether it represents a significant fraction of the total of all respiratory viruses at a given time in a human.
Great discussion Steve.
Great job moderating this Steve! Your non-verbal comments kept me smiling and laughing. I give Alex credit for showing up, but zero credit for a closed mind to facts and data. I know there are things he doesn't seem to know; I was just surprised at how much! When you said you were a subscriber to his Substack, I said, "Yeah, so was I until he ambushed Malone on live TV. Then I went to "free" and subscribed to Steve's instead!" I'd rather support VSRF and not someone suing the blue bird for what I've perceived to be ego-driven reasons.
You're right - Pierre knocked it out of the park. SO many good comments and good reasoning. I had to leave shortly after Alex did, so will have to catch the rest of the conversation when it goes up.
Berenson's comment that it is the vaccines that constitute the important issue, not Ivermectin is an absurdity and an infuriating obfuscation: the two things are inextricably linked and part of the same issue and he knows that. Alex is an empty suit, an opportunist and a fake. I have bought some of his pamphlets and he certainly did some good at the outset of the COVID crisis, but his moment has passed. He is deeply deceptive.
Alex is pretty far off the mark regarding the body count for shots, let alone hospital fatalities. The Columbia U Study estimated a lower bound of 167k deaths for Feb to Aug of 2021 alone. Steve had a similar estimate. Alex is hasty in calling Steve conspiratorial. This is about data, not conspiracies. It comes down to hiding the bodies. Alex complained “but they’d show up as excess deaths!” Well, yeah, as a matter of fact! As Ed Dowd has shown as well. Because Alex has a voice, his grasp of this topic should be in line with the data. David Martin has a very different posture: Fauci, Pfizer and Moderna are going down! That’s because he has the goods.
How can we watch this if we missed it live?!
Dr Berenson has treated over 5,000 patients wirh coivd as a jounralist.
Alex: “Paxlovid works, but Ivermectin doesn’t.”
Kory: “But both are Ace2 Inhibitors, so if one works, so will the other.”
Alex: “😳” 🦗 🦗 🦗
Excellent conversation Steve. You interrupted and asked exactly the right questions at exactly the right miment, just as a good facilitator should do. Pierre smoked him but we all knew that was what would happen anyway. Hat tip to Alex for being willing to discuss the subject with someone that disagrees with him. I left that conversation feeling even better about taking IVM.
thank you Steve,
You are a national treasure. No WAY is it possible to imagine how Dr. Kory keeps his cool around such arrogant ignorance but you both did a great gracious job.
This was a good discussion. They didn't get down and dirty but talked about more important high level concepts.
The "vaccines" are still under "emergency use authorization", as in not actually FDA "approved", right?
So, if there were therapeutics readily available, that are "proven" to reduce severe symptoms - would the gov't not be able to mandate the vax under "EAU"??
They don't want you to make ppl better at the risk of losing their emergency authority
I won't be able to watch. But seems like a one-sided debate. Dr. Kory will chew-up AB.
Sadly, this is not my idea of a worthwhile debate. Berenson is not a doctor or healthcare professional of any kind. In my opinion, and as reflected by the many snarky, "I'm always right, even though I don't know what I'm talking about" comments he's made on Substack about Ivermectin and those who've used it, I don't see how this will be the kind of meaningful, balanced conversation that needs to happen with a real influencer whose opposition is based on carefully researched facts and information. I'll pass.
I used to subscribe to Berenson’s substack but he lost me when he went after Malone - on live television, no less!
Solipsism run wild.
I think the efficacy of IVM has changed with omicron based on my personal experience. First time I got sick and took it, I was better 12 hours later. COVID was not confirmed, just suspected. I just got over confirmed COVID for what I believe to be the second time. I took 48 mg of IVM for two weeks. It still took a month to fully feel like I was 100% again.
Has anyone heard about the BBC's new show Unvaccinated about a mathematician who tries to convince seven people to get vaccinated? I think it's funny that even though it sounds like classic brainwashing, they were unsuccessful! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11020717/Did-BBC-team-convince-seven-anti-vaxxers-Covid-jab.html
When do we get the Zoom link? I'm looking forward to this.
Sly Stallone acted like a boxer so much that he thought he was a boxer. He asked heavyweight Ernie Shavers to open up on him with body shots.
He crawled to the corner and vomited.
Kory TKO
Edit: it was a great conversation and segment of Steve’s. Alex was very good until he spoke about IVM - when he argued like a Karen.
It's a journalist debating a bonafide clinician who's treated patients... It's not even a fair debate. No way AB changes his mind however. His hubris is off the charts. There's already overwhelming evidence out there if you choose to research.
Berenson took the IVM stance he did to say "See how nuanced and well balanced I am? My Ivy League friends, please oh please welcome me back to civil society." Kick his groveling ass today, Dr Kory.
Is Berenson getting paid to be part of the discussion?
Who cares? I'm not into what Berenson thinks about too many things at all.
What is there to debate? Ivermectin like many drugs and supplements including vitamin C, curcumin and resveratrol, inhibits replication of viral mRNA by boosting heme oxygenase-1, the Universal Stress Enzyme.
HO1 breaks down heme proteins into (antiviral) carbon monoxide, bilirubin and ferritin. This pathway also releases a lot heat that causes fever when HO1 is high, but lower than normal temp when HO1 is chronically low (<97F)
Tell Dr. Kory to eat popcorn so he can practice chewing it up & spitting it out at Alex. 😊
Dr. Kory knows medicine. Alex knows flawed studies. I saw ivermectin transform my husband with just one dose. I know it doesn’t work that way for everyone but I’m a believer. And with all of the patients Dr. Kory has cured, it doesn’t even seem like a fair fight. A lightweight & a heavyweight 😉
Alex is the pandemic’s wrongest man when it comes to ivermectin.
I’ve never understood Alex Berenson’s stance on ivermectin. I’ll have to tune in..
Awesome 😎