Top British mathematics Professor Norman Fenton says the chance of that is 99%. But he also says that the math says that your chance of convincing anyone of that is near zero.
My father, a journalist and famous lobbyist who created Meals on Wheels with George McGOvern listened to my statements back in Dec 2020 begging him not to do it for at least a year .NOthing I could say could sway him despite his listening to me intently. He simply couldn't believe what I was telling him. I sent link after link. I doubt he read more than 1% of what I sent. He likes Whitney Webb alot so Ive been trying to inform him this way. He passed out 3x on the golf course. This never happened before. He was told the first time he had' dehydration". But they kept him in the hospital for THREE days. Unheard of for dehydration. Second time they said he "drank too much water". I told him it was the spike proteins and he needed to do the FLCC detox immediately! He finally said to me a month ago," Well it seems youre getting your way and are right about your opinions". I told him I Never wanted to be right.
I’m not going to lie, it’s not easy to switch someone’s view on this. My husband and I were at opposite ends of the politics and “medicine”. We fought and the “d” word came up multiple times. My then 37 year old husband was in law school interning at Berkeley and then a Lawfirm in SF and valued his 20 something year old colleague’s over his nerdy wife who travels and sells warranties and reads clinical trials for fun.
I constantly sent him trials and data and articles that questioned the mainstream narrative. I had 6 people in my circle die within days of receiving their shot. I had many clients and friends hospitalized with blood clots and heart attacks and paralysis within weeks or days of receiving a shot. Every time I sent him something, or brought it up, it caused a fight. Eventually I stopped directly sending him things but would talk about it out loud on the phone or to a friend so he could hear. I purposely brought it up in front of mutual friends to see what they thought. He was embarrassed and angry every time, but more times than not, our mutual friend felt the same way that I did. I wanted to make his transition easy, I wanted to show him that I’m not alone, that my views are ideas are backed by many. Eventually we stopped fighting, he stopped getting angry with me. And recently he was excited to tell me our neighbors who have avoided me this whole pandemic said, “I think your wife has been right this whole time”. His colleagues texted him in a group chat expressing a similar sentiment.
I was able to convince him and his mom to cancel their booster appointments, then Covid hit our house and hit his mom and him the worst. The kids and I, all unvaxxed had nothing more than a head ache for a day or two.
Lastly, my aunt and uncle, his cousins and aunts and uncles all 4 shots in, got Covid for the 3rd and 4th time and he straight up said, “why are people still getting boosted? So stupid! It obviously isn’t working.”
Victory! Vindication at last!
So, moral of the story, don’t give up. Keep on trying, and when one method doesn’t work, try another.
I had some more thoughts about discussing vaccine issues with vaccinated people initially resistant to acknowledging harm from vaccines. Through this recent substack article, I have become more willing to express my views to some of my vaccinated friends. Unlike Steve, I don't have the position to approach members of congress and prominent scientists. I think another participant in this discussion pushed me to consider why I bother trying to express my views--how will that prevent vaccine mandates and stop this vaccine madness?! In the short run (and maybe in the long run) perhaps this does nothing to help our cause. But does everything we do concerning vaccines have to help the cause--or else stop doing it? I do feel better each person that becomes more likely to tolerate the unvaccinated (and that means me!) I do feel better speaking freely about my opinion. It's such a relief to have the tables turned and have people ask hard questions of the authorities that rammed vaccine mandates down our throats and will keep trying to do this. Offering support and a community to unvaccinated feeling oppressed and bullied by the mainstream (Peter Hottetz thinks we are domestic terrorists for God's sake) is very important. Be able to speak our truth. Support the contrarian view concerning vaccine unsafety and ineffectiveness. That to me is worthwhile and can be done in addition to other actions designed to more directly to block vaccine passports and mandates. So it's not either or. It's BOTH AND.
Maybe 40% of Americans don't believe anything until some credentialed (government-allied) source like NPR tells them. So your evidence is just propaganda.
Is the Red Cross Blood Donation program catching on to the dangers of the 'vaccine'?
The pre-donation screening questionnaire implies 'maybe':
Q79
Have you EVER had a Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine?
If you answer “YES” to this question, please call 1-800-RED CROSS (1-800-733-2767) before coming in to donate to determine if this will affect your eligibility.
That seems pretty strong.
Other entries are weaker, but still illuminating.
~~~
Q10
In the past 8 weeks, have you had any vaccinations or other shots?
The FLU and COVID-19 vaccine are acceptable as long as you have no symptoms on the day of donation. If you answer “YES” to this question, please call 1-800-RED CROSS (1-800-733-2767) before coming in to donate to determine if any other vaccine or shot will affect your eligibility.
~~~
Unlicensed (Experimental) Vaccine
Medication Deferral List
Donating while taking these drugs could have a negative effect on your health or on the health of the recipient of your blood.
PLEASE TELL US IF YOU... [have taken an]
» Experimental Medication or Unlicensed (Experimental) Vaccine :: [in the past] 12 months. «
Some medications affect your eligibility as a blood donor for the following reasons:
Experimental Medication or Unlicensed (Experimental) Vaccine is usually associated with a research study, and the effect on the safety of transfused blood is unknown.
~~~
Q82
In the past 2 years, have you received an injection or shot to prevent an HIV infection?
If you answer “YES” to this question, please call 1-800-RED CROSS (1-800-733-2767) before coming in to donate to determine if this will affect your eligibility.
[Notice how it is not labeled as a 'vaccine', but, is described as 'an injection or shot to prevent'.]
"Project Depopulation: Bill Gates Gathers the World’s Top Billionaires"
On May 5, 2009, Bill Gates gathered together a handful of the West’s richest men who met in Manhattan to discuss what they considered the most dangerous, most critical threat to the planet.
Those attending included Warren Buffett, Ted Turner, George Soros, and David Rockefeller, Jr. What did they deem the world’s biggest threat? They each gave a 15-minute presentation on their primary concern for the planet. “Taking their cue from Gates, they agreed overpopulation was a priority,” according to the report from London’s Sunday Times.
"Oprah Winfrey met in secret with George Soros and other billionaires to discuss a plan to depopulate the world."
The 2009 meeting in Manhattan, organized by Bill Gates, was so discreet that the billionaires’ aides were told to treat it as a “security briefing,” and attendees also included the late David Rockefeller, Warren Buffett, Ted Turner and Michael Bloomberg, in addition to Oprah and Soros.
My own VERY limited experience is that it is almost impossible to change beliefs. I know physicians who are STYILL wearing masks CONTINUOUSLY at work, and refuse to even consider data regarding safety and effectiveness. Will ot even CONSIDER it. My very smart daughter-in-law feels this is cult-like behavior. I perconally do not even try to interest these people in data I do not need to antagonize them.
30 years ago, I got the flu vaccine and had a bad case of the flu that year. Ever since I never did the flu vaccine again and never got the flu again. I do take all kinds of high-grade supplements and researched everyone so not to put any toxic added chemicals into my body. May 2022, I had a low-grade fever and headache for 8 days and tested negative 5 times with the home Covid test. My system fought off whatever I had, and it felt more like a bad head cold. With that said, I chose not to get the Covid vaccine and also my son not to be vaccinated. This is modern day snake oil salesmen pushing a concoction with MD attached at the end of their name. As time goes on, you will see more and more people and medical professionals saying it was a mistake. I brought my son, 15 to an allergist and wanted a doctor's note for his school my son cannot get the Covid vaccine because he was allergic to a previous vaccine and on a breathing machine for 5 days. The allergist said if this was 10 years into The Covid seen, he would be glad to write the doctors note. But he could not write any note because his note has to be based on research and there is no research about the adverse effects the Covid vaccine could be.
My boyfriend was adamantly pro-vax. He says he cannot believe that doctors — DOCTORS — would do anything as contemptible as place profits above patients. Yes, he is very naive. Even when a nurse friend warned him not to take the booster, and that none of the physicians or nurses were, he refused to believe that they were harmful.
And then my thrice vaxxed boyfriend got COVID over Christmas. He is 69 years old. He was symptomatic for three days and then recovered easily. Afterward, he admitted how terrified he was when his at home test was positive. He had drunk the Kool Aid and was sincerely afraid that he was going to die.
Because he never seemed afraid in the past three years, I did not realize what a number the propaganda had done on his psyche. I suspect many people exist in a state of barely controlled panic over COVID.
Nothing is more convincing than experiencing the vaccine injury. The problem we face is the slow boiling frogs in the pot syndrome. Looking at howbad.info, they've cunningly calculated the rate of VAE/Death to be just below the threshold of a mass exodus.
My sister developed a full body rash after her 1st booster. It took almost 1 year to go away. This week she spoke with her old friend who revealed she had developed the same rash. Friend's Dr. told her not to get more boosters. Only then did my sister believe it was vax related. For almost a year I had told her that, and suffered some abuse for it.
I just learned that my sister-in-law developed a very painful, rare condition: trigeminal neuralgia two weeks after her booster. This adds to a long list of likely vax injuries in my extended family - my cousin with both a stroke and heart attack, my aunt with amputated toes, my younger sister and brother in law both deceased of "turbo cancer" leaving three orphaned children - just to name the most serious impacts.
Despite these "coincidences" my sister-in-law convinced herself that her trigeminal neuralgia was caused by too much mask-wearing. She applied to the hospice where she nurses for a dispensation. They granted it, then told her she is scheduled for her next booster early in 2023. On some deep level she must suspect the truth, as she told me on our New Year call that she wants to "wait a bit on the booster" since she has a lot going on with treatment for her condition.
I'm the only unvaxxed family member (shunned by some of them for my "irresponsibility"). I'm terrified for their wellbeing, but they seem to be in massive denial. My triple vaxxed brother is the only one I convinced to rethink. He asked me a few months ago if there is any way to reverse it.
I am so weary of the comments that assume that all liberals took the jab. As a lifelong liberal Democrat, heck yes I am very disappointed in the liberals who have bought into the narrative, embraced censorship and mandates, taken all the jabs, and failed to see the lies in the mainstream media. I can't believe any liberal would fail to support medical freedom and the right to choose medical interventions. Like Del Bigtree, I am politically marooned. I have lost friends and family and been unable to convince anyone. Shocked at the lack of curiosity to hear what I have to say and the discrimination against the unvaxxed like me.
But I believe there are liberals like me out there who saw the lies early on, who believe that we can live healthy lives without psychological addiction to vaccines, who have embraced integrative medicine and were already taking Vit D, C, and other supplements to support the immune system. Please stop labeling liberals as the "bad guys" because our current president is a Democrat. Too many people have accepted the narrative to assume they are all liberals.
I think a useful thread by our host would be to solicit from those followers who took one 2 or 3 jabs but are now here, just what tipped them into 'no more'.
I was redpilled before this ever rolled out. I figured in late 2020 the jabs would be a disaster, likely by design, and had no difficulty believing in a global coordination of same. Well honestly, it did take a bit of reworking of how I perceived the world, but I had the precondition to resist. So my experience, in the work of changing minds, is useless, irrelevant.
But the partially jabbed and changed their minds? How did that happen?
We have some enormous pool of booster resistors... can we solicit what 'turned' them? This group represents the critical mass we need to win the info war for minds. And I notice a fair number on this substack.
My father, a journalist and famous lobbyist who created Meals on Wheels with George McGOvern listened to my statements back in Dec 2020 begging him not to do it for at least a year .NOthing I could say could sway him despite his listening to me intently. He simply couldn't believe what I was telling him. I sent link after link. I doubt he read more than 1% of what I sent. He likes Whitney Webb alot so Ive been trying to inform him this way. He passed out 3x on the golf course. This never happened before. He was told the first time he had' dehydration". But they kept him in the hospital for THREE days. Unheard of for dehydration. Second time they said he "drank too much water". I told him it was the spike proteins and he needed to do the FLCC detox immediately! He finally said to me a month ago," Well it seems youre getting your way and are right about your opinions". I told him I Never wanted to be right.
I’m not going to lie, it’s not easy to switch someone’s view on this. My husband and I were at opposite ends of the politics and “medicine”. We fought and the “d” word came up multiple times. My then 37 year old husband was in law school interning at Berkeley and then a Lawfirm in SF and valued his 20 something year old colleague’s over his nerdy wife who travels and sells warranties and reads clinical trials for fun.
I constantly sent him trials and data and articles that questioned the mainstream narrative. I had 6 people in my circle die within days of receiving their shot. I had many clients and friends hospitalized with blood clots and heart attacks and paralysis within weeks or days of receiving a shot. Every time I sent him something, or brought it up, it caused a fight. Eventually I stopped directly sending him things but would talk about it out loud on the phone or to a friend so he could hear. I purposely brought it up in front of mutual friends to see what they thought. He was embarrassed and angry every time, but more times than not, our mutual friend felt the same way that I did. I wanted to make his transition easy, I wanted to show him that I’m not alone, that my views are ideas are backed by many. Eventually we stopped fighting, he stopped getting angry with me. And recently he was excited to tell me our neighbors who have avoided me this whole pandemic said, “I think your wife has been right this whole time”. His colleagues texted him in a group chat expressing a similar sentiment.
I was able to convince him and his mom to cancel their booster appointments, then Covid hit our house and hit his mom and him the worst. The kids and I, all unvaxxed had nothing more than a head ache for a day or two.
Lastly, my aunt and uncle, his cousins and aunts and uncles all 4 shots in, got Covid for the 3rd and 4th time and he straight up said, “why are people still getting boosted? So stupid! It obviously isn’t working.”
Victory! Vindication at last!
So, moral of the story, don’t give up. Keep on trying, and when one method doesn’t work, try another.
Good luck out there.
I had some more thoughts about discussing vaccine issues with vaccinated people initially resistant to acknowledging harm from vaccines. Through this recent substack article, I have become more willing to express my views to some of my vaccinated friends. Unlike Steve, I don't have the position to approach members of congress and prominent scientists. I think another participant in this discussion pushed me to consider why I bother trying to express my views--how will that prevent vaccine mandates and stop this vaccine madness?! In the short run (and maybe in the long run) perhaps this does nothing to help our cause. But does everything we do concerning vaccines have to help the cause--or else stop doing it? I do feel better each person that becomes more likely to tolerate the unvaccinated (and that means me!) I do feel better speaking freely about my opinion. It's such a relief to have the tables turned and have people ask hard questions of the authorities that rammed vaccine mandates down our throats and will keep trying to do this. Offering support and a community to unvaccinated feeling oppressed and bullied by the mainstream (Peter Hottetz thinks we are domestic terrorists for God's sake) is very important. Be able to speak our truth. Support the contrarian view concerning vaccine unsafety and ineffectiveness. That to me is worthwhile and can be done in addition to other actions designed to more directly to block vaccine passports and mandates. So it's not either or. It's BOTH AND.
Maybe 40% of Americans don't believe anything until some credentialed (government-allied) source like NPR tells them. So your evidence is just propaganda.
Another sudden cardiac death in a young person to add to all the others: https://memorials.sollevinson.com/stacey-koppell/5104241/
“It is foolish to be convinced without evidence, but it is equally foolish to refuse to be convinced by real evidence." - Upton Sinclair
“It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” - Mark Twain
“Great thinkers have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” ~ Albert Einstein
Is the Red Cross Blood Donation program catching on to the dangers of the 'vaccine'?
The pre-donation screening questionnaire implies 'maybe':
Q79
Have you EVER had a Coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine?
If you answer “YES” to this question, please call 1-800-RED CROSS (1-800-733-2767) before coming in to donate to determine if this will affect your eligibility.
That seems pretty strong.
Other entries are weaker, but still illuminating.
~~~
Q10
In the past 8 weeks, have you had any vaccinations or other shots?
The FLU and COVID-19 vaccine are acceptable as long as you have no symptoms on the day of donation. If you answer “YES” to this question, please call 1-800-RED CROSS (1-800-733-2767) before coming in to donate to determine if any other vaccine or shot will affect your eligibility.
~~~
Unlicensed (Experimental) Vaccine
Medication Deferral List
Donating while taking these drugs could have a negative effect on your health or on the health of the recipient of your blood.
PLEASE TELL US IF YOU... [have taken an]
» Experimental Medication or Unlicensed (Experimental) Vaccine :: [in the past] 12 months. «
Some medications affect your eligibility as a blood donor for the following reasons:
Experimental Medication or Unlicensed (Experimental) Vaccine is usually associated with a research study, and the effect on the safety of transfused blood is unknown.
~~~
Q82
In the past 2 years, have you received an injection or shot to prevent an HIV infection?
If you answer “YES” to this question, please call 1-800-RED CROSS (1-800-733-2767) before coming in to donate to determine if this will affect your eligibility.
[Notice how it is not labeled as a 'vaccine', but, is described as 'an injection or shot to prevent'.]
~~~
"Project Depopulation: Bill Gates Gathers the World’s Top Billionaires"
On May 5, 2009, Bill Gates gathered together a handful of the West’s richest men who met in Manhattan to discuss what they considered the most dangerous, most critical threat to the planet.
Those attending included Warren Buffett, Ted Turner, George Soros, and David Rockefeller, Jr. What did they deem the world’s biggest threat? They each gave a 15-minute presentation on their primary concern for the planet. “Taking their cue from Gates, they agreed overpopulation was a priority,” according to the report from London’s Sunday Times.
https://dean-w-arnold.com/articles-blogs/bill-gates-gathers-billionaires
"Oprah Winfrey met in secret with George Soros and other billionaires to discuss a plan to depopulate the world."
The 2009 meeting in Manhattan, organized by Bill Gates, was so discreet that the billionaires’ aides were told to treat it as a “security briefing,” and attendees also included the late David Rockefeller, Warren Buffett, Ted Turner and Michael Bloomberg, in addition to Oprah and Soros.
https://www.newswars.com/scandal-oprahs-world-depopulation-scheme-dashes-presidential-hopes/
Did Coronavirius ‘break out’ of a Bio-Lab George Soros ‘owns in Wuhan, China’?
https://shuzheng.wordpress.com/2020/02/27/corrupting-the-judges-hand-of-soros-kl-to-hk-wuhan-kiev-brussels/
My own VERY limited experience is that it is almost impossible to change beliefs. I know physicians who are STYILL wearing masks CONTINUOUSLY at work, and refuse to even consider data regarding safety and effectiveness. Will ot even CONSIDER it. My very smart daughter-in-law feels this is cult-like behavior. I perconally do not even try to interest these people in data I do not need to antagonize them.
30 years ago, I got the flu vaccine and had a bad case of the flu that year. Ever since I never did the flu vaccine again and never got the flu again. I do take all kinds of high-grade supplements and researched everyone so not to put any toxic added chemicals into my body. May 2022, I had a low-grade fever and headache for 8 days and tested negative 5 times with the home Covid test. My system fought off whatever I had, and it felt more like a bad head cold. With that said, I chose not to get the Covid vaccine and also my son not to be vaccinated. This is modern day snake oil salesmen pushing a concoction with MD attached at the end of their name. As time goes on, you will see more and more people and medical professionals saying it was a mistake. I brought my son, 15 to an allergist and wanted a doctor's note for his school my son cannot get the Covid vaccine because he was allergic to a previous vaccine and on a breathing machine for 5 days. The allergist said if this was 10 years into The Covid seen, he would be glad to write the doctors note. But he could not write any note because his note has to be based on research and there is no research about the adverse effects the Covid vaccine could be.
My boyfriend was adamantly pro-vax. He says he cannot believe that doctors — DOCTORS — would do anything as contemptible as place profits above patients. Yes, he is very naive. Even when a nurse friend warned him not to take the booster, and that none of the physicians or nurses were, he refused to believe that they were harmful.
And then my thrice vaxxed boyfriend got COVID over Christmas. He is 69 years old. He was symptomatic for three days and then recovered easily. Afterward, he admitted how terrified he was when his at home test was positive. He had drunk the Kool Aid and was sincerely afraid that he was going to die.
Because he never seemed afraid in the past three years, I did not realize what a number the propaganda had done on his psyche. I suspect many people exist in a state of barely controlled panic over COVID.
Nothing is more convincing than experiencing the vaccine injury. The problem we face is the slow boiling frogs in the pot syndrome. Looking at howbad.info, they've cunningly calculated the rate of VAE/Death to be just below the threshold of a mass exodus.
My sister developed a full body rash after her 1st booster. It took almost 1 year to go away. This week she spoke with her old friend who revealed she had developed the same rash. Friend's Dr. told her not to get more boosters. Only then did my sister believe it was vax related. For almost a year I had told her that, and suffered some abuse for it.
I just learned that my sister-in-law developed a very painful, rare condition: trigeminal neuralgia two weeks after her booster. This adds to a long list of likely vax injuries in my extended family - my cousin with both a stroke and heart attack, my aunt with amputated toes, my younger sister and brother in law both deceased of "turbo cancer" leaving three orphaned children - just to name the most serious impacts.
Despite these "coincidences" my sister-in-law convinced herself that her trigeminal neuralgia was caused by too much mask-wearing. She applied to the hospice where she nurses for a dispensation. They granted it, then told her she is scheduled for her next booster early in 2023. On some deep level she must suspect the truth, as she told me on our New Year call that she wants to "wait a bit on the booster" since she has a lot going on with treatment for her condition.
I'm the only unvaxxed family member (shunned by some of them for my "irresponsibility"). I'm terrified for their wellbeing, but they seem to be in massive denial. My triple vaxxed brother is the only one I convinced to rethink. He asked me a few months ago if there is any way to reverse it.
I am so weary of the comments that assume that all liberals took the jab. As a lifelong liberal Democrat, heck yes I am very disappointed in the liberals who have bought into the narrative, embraced censorship and mandates, taken all the jabs, and failed to see the lies in the mainstream media. I can't believe any liberal would fail to support medical freedom and the right to choose medical interventions. Like Del Bigtree, I am politically marooned. I have lost friends and family and been unable to convince anyone. Shocked at the lack of curiosity to hear what I have to say and the discrimination against the unvaxxed like me.
But I believe there are liberals like me out there who saw the lies early on, who believe that we can live healthy lives without psychological addiction to vaccines, who have embraced integrative medicine and were already taking Vit D, C, and other supplements to support the immune system. Please stop labeling liberals as the "bad guys" because our current president is a Democrat. Too many people have accepted the narrative to assume they are all liberals.
I think a useful thread by our host would be to solicit from those followers who took one 2 or 3 jabs but are now here, just what tipped them into 'no more'.
I was redpilled before this ever rolled out. I figured in late 2020 the jabs would be a disaster, likely by design, and had no difficulty believing in a global coordination of same. Well honestly, it did take a bit of reworking of how I perceived the world, but I had the precondition to resist. So my experience, in the work of changing minds, is useless, irrelevant.
But the partially jabbed and changed their minds? How did that happen?
We have some enormous pool of booster resistors... can we solicit what 'turned' them? This group represents the critical mass we need to win the info war for minds. And I notice a fair number on this substack.
??