His argument: it is impossible for the vaccines to have caused the deaths because there is no mechanism of action that could do that. It must be something else killing these people.
Hello to you all! On May 13th there will be an international event for all of those who suffered from this horrendous last few years. The most visible victims are the ones dead or maimed by the shots and those who died from untreated cv or other infections and diseases, who did not fit well to the narrative.
But there are many of us who suffered in various ways - discrimination, insults, being outcast from the workplace, public life and places, or simply put in repeated lockdowns.
Could you please share if there is anything planned in your country / region / town? It would be interesting and we still have the time to use and improve creative ideas, so that it could not get silenced and would not go unnoticed.
I do not believe Karan even understands the role of statistics as central tool for evaluating medical treatments, he really thinks, it is just one arbitrary way to go for statistically inclined ones. This is getting scary.
Quite annoying that Karan constantly avoids the actual point, he does't seem to understand and instead tries to deflect discussion to some real or imagined nitty-gritty details that just create the illusion of knowledge, but never further the dispute. He seems to believe that you need to come up with a specific mechanism of damage in order to accuse the vaccine. Otherwise, as his logic goes, it is safe and effective.
This is nothing than "Reversal of burden of proof" that the pharma industry or MS science would love to establish, and there seem to be proponents, that have already learned to think this way quite naturally.
Karan does not even seem to understand how the scientific method is actually supposed to work. He always starts with the mechanisms he knows about, ignoring the unknowns that are always to be acknowledged, and derives from his supposed knowledge further conclusions, which is simply ridiculous. This is stuff every student involved in some kind of natural science should learn in the first semester. So I do not believe he even understands the logic to start from data, create a plausible hypothesis and finally test it to verify or refute. It's a bit scary to imagine, what kind of science will result, if a significant portion of prospective scientists or medical doctors never get to a solid understanding how to establish real scientific facts starting from the basic methodology of science.
Especially practicing doctors should know this, as each patient is a unique scientific puzzle he has to solve, but most doctors I know seldom do any systematic anamnesis or testing.
I was naive and believed what they told me at Medical university (Basel, Berne + Graz), but C19-vaxx disaster woke me up. Who else went from pro- to anti-vaxx?
I voted "significantly higher" for Aspiration b/c regardless if your believe if the jab's Spikes are toxic (prions to blood - as per the likes of Dr. R. Fleming et al) or LNPs are toxic (to artery tissue - as per McCollough et al), or not ...THE "VAX" WAS DESIGNED TO BE ADMINISTERED INTRAMUSCULAR (I.M. in the deltoid), AND NEVER subconsciously are certainly not IV. So if this sh!t ends up hitting a blood capilary vessel (4-8% chance) or vain (1% adults deltoid, 9% children) that can't be good according to everyone with a thinking head.
Long practiced Aspiration was removed as method by US CDC, Health Canada, UK NHS, Israel MoH, etc. (most of world followed) as a way to speed up administration and to recruit young inexperienced inoculation volunteers since they needed all the RNs & clinicians for pandemic treatment. This may a valid argument, but not an excuse if it further caused mass harm.
@Steve Kirsch - This is a pretty good lay explanation of a recent study that shows the mechanism by which the mRNA jabs do harm. Perhaps your close-minded future jabber might ponder it. THE WRONG ANTIBODY https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/the-wrong-antibody-monday-december
Good for him for trying to engage you and prove you wrong.
Pity he fails so miserably.
If this is a typical example of the result of today's education system and specialist training for a career is a damning indictment of how low education and training standards have fallen.
See this. Explains that early on the official recommendation was not to aspirate. But finally they realized the problem. I wonder how many people got the word….. and how many paid the price. Accountability?? Not a chance.
A superb example of cognitive dissonance. As to intravenous injections FOR SURE that can lead to spread of the agent to distant sites. A large part of my medical practice was injection of Botox for facial movement disorders. Over 30 years I gave @ 40,000 injections in facial muscles. It is incredibly easy to give an intravascular injection unless one pulls back on the plunger to check! I was amazed that the official recommendation for the jab was to NOT aspirate. Why?? It’s almost as though the intent was to have a significant number of distant injections. Would love to ask a CDC “expert” why this was done…..
The vet that treated my German shepherd was far more open minded and intelligent than this medical student. In reality getting into vet school is way harder than getting into medical school. I trust my vet more than most doctors. But I have a PA and naturopath that I trust.
I like Steve and agree with what he says. However, Campbell is an idiot.
Hello to you all! On May 13th there will be an international event for all of those who suffered from this horrendous last few years. The most visible victims are the ones dead or maimed by the shots and those who died from untreated cv or other infections and diseases, who did not fit well to the narrative.
But there are many of us who suffered in various ways - discrimination, insults, being outcast from the workplace, public life and places, or simply put in repeated lockdowns.
Could you please share if there is anything planned in your country / region / town? It would be interesting and we still have the time to use and improve creative ideas, so that it could not get silenced and would not go unnoticed.
Thank you all!
Seems strange to agree to a debate without having looked at the trial data. I guess that's the arrogance of UK medical profession. (I'm in UK)
Actually, Dr. Ardis does have evidence for his snake venom theory:
https://vokalnow.com/video/5504
I do not believe Karan even understands the role of statistics as central tool for evaluating medical treatments, he really thinks, it is just one arbitrary way to go for statistically inclined ones. This is getting scary.
Quite annoying that Karan constantly avoids the actual point, he does't seem to understand and instead tries to deflect discussion to some real or imagined nitty-gritty details that just create the illusion of knowledge, but never further the dispute. He seems to believe that you need to come up with a specific mechanism of damage in order to accuse the vaccine. Otherwise, as his logic goes, it is safe and effective.
This is nothing than "Reversal of burden of proof" that the pharma industry or MS science would love to establish, and there seem to be proponents, that have already learned to think this way quite naturally.
Karan does not even seem to understand how the scientific method is actually supposed to work. He always starts with the mechanisms he knows about, ignoring the unknowns that are always to be acknowledged, and derives from his supposed knowledge further conclusions, which is simply ridiculous. This is stuff every student involved in some kind of natural science should learn in the first semester. So I do not believe he even understands the logic to start from data, create a plausible hypothesis and finally test it to verify or refute. It's a bit scary to imagine, what kind of science will result, if a significant portion of prospective scientists or medical doctors never get to a solid understanding how to establish real scientific facts starting from the basic methodology of science.
Especially practicing doctors should know this, as each patient is a unique scientific puzzle he has to solve, but most doctors I know seldom do any systematic anamnesis or testing.
I was naive and believed what they told me at Medical university (Basel, Berne + Graz), but C19-vaxx disaster woke me up. Who else went from pro- to anti-vaxx?
I voted "significantly higher" for Aspiration b/c regardless if your believe if the jab's Spikes are toxic (prions to blood - as per the likes of Dr. R. Fleming et al) or LNPs are toxic (to artery tissue - as per McCollough et al), or not ...THE "VAX" WAS DESIGNED TO BE ADMINISTERED INTRAMUSCULAR (I.M. in the deltoid), AND NEVER subconsciously are certainly not IV. So if this sh!t ends up hitting a blood capilary vessel (4-8% chance) or vain (1% adults deltoid, 9% children) that can't be good according to everyone with a thinking head.
Long practiced Aspiration was removed as method by US CDC, Health Canada, UK NHS, Israel MoH, etc. (most of world followed) as a way to speed up administration and to recruit young inexperienced inoculation volunteers since they needed all the RNs & clinicians for pandemic treatment. This may a valid argument, but not an excuse if it further caused mass harm.
https://twitter.com/dr_cartland/status/1607825708943921153
Send him this.
@Steve Kirsch - This is a pretty good lay explanation of a recent study that shows the mechanism by which the mRNA jabs do harm. Perhaps your close-minded future jabber might ponder it. THE WRONG ANTIBODY https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/the-wrong-antibody-monday-december
Good for him for trying to engage you and prove you wrong.
Pity he fails so miserably.
If this is a typical example of the result of today's education system and specialist training for a career is a damning indictment of how low education and training standards have fallen.
With noble prize winners and other esteemed and published biologists, immunologists, virologists and
epidemiologists why do we debate a clueless brainwashed British med student?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35320581/
See this. Explains that early on the official recommendation was not to aspirate. But finally they realized the problem. I wonder how many people got the word….. and how many paid the price. Accountability?? Not a chance.
A superb example of cognitive dissonance. As to intravenous injections FOR SURE that can lead to spread of the agent to distant sites. A large part of my medical practice was injection of Botox for facial movement disorders. Over 30 years I gave @ 40,000 injections in facial muscles. It is incredibly easy to give an intravascular injection unless one pulls back on the plunger to check! I was amazed that the official recommendation for the jab was to NOT aspirate. Why?? It’s almost as though the intent was to have a significant number of distant injections. Would love to ask a CDC “expert” why this was done…..
The vet that treated my German shepherd was far more open minded and intelligent than this medical student. In reality getting into vet school is way harder than getting into medical school. I trust my vet more than most doctors. But I have a PA and naturopath that I trust.