It was designed to be impossible to meet. I'll expose the tricks they use. The people behind these challenges are very untrustworthy. This is how propaganda is done, not science.
> We have 100 years of scientific evidence that is all consistent with what virology teaches.
Of course that data is consistent with what virology teaches because virology is based on it. But what is the value of that data?
The Germ Theory has held up for more than 100 years, even though the inventor himself, Louis Pasteur, admitted towards the end of his life that it was wrong and based on fraudulent data.
Steve, your rant is absolutely pathetic. I shall not go through all your 24 points and the rest of it, but merely the fact that you elevate a clown like McCairn to a level of reliability says it all.
I saw his "discussion" with Dr. Mark Bailey about SARS-CoV-2, and it was an absolute charade. The guy had no sensible arguments to refute anything Mark said, he deflected constantly and brought up straw men, and in the end, reduced to absolute despair, all he could come up with were ad hominems against Mark.
The guy calls himself a scientist, but he likely bought his degree in the backstreets of New Delhi. If I had to employ him he might consider him as a toilet cleaner.
Using all manner of excuses, you guys refuse to engage in a public discussion with the Baileys et al. Why? Undoubtedly because you know you could not win the argument, you would be exposed for what your claims really are. Yes!! your claims: you guys make claims about the existence of viruses, yet you are not prepared to go all the way, discuss the scientific data and agree on experiments to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that your claim is reality.
It is laughable that as a non-medical person, not even a scientist in any way, you assume you can engage in a discussion about scientific experiments and are able to judge others' opinions, even though they more appropriately qualified than you.
And sure enough, like a good business man, you have to bring money into it in the form of a bet in order to settle the debate 🤣
Instead of publishing your frustration, why do you not participate in a public debate with "the other side"? And since you are a rich business man, a philanthropist no less, why do you not offer to pay for that "single method that is very hard, expensive, and time consuming"? And if there are other methods that could throw more light on the issue, demand that they be included too and finance them: surely those costs are just rounding errors in your books?
Would that not be a much more reliable way to settle the debate than going the Las Vegas-style gambling way with your $1 million proposal that you came up once?
But you have not thought along those lines: why not? TBH, I don't think there many reasons for that; I think there is only 1 reason: fear.
Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 6:37 AM - my comment here was liked by one of Steve's subscribers. Gone now?
So repetez s'il vous plait > Stefan Lanka, Ph.D. is a German micro-biologist and former virologist. Since the early 1990s he has been at the forefront speaking out about the pseudoscientific methods used to prove the existence of so-called viruses and challenging the medical theory stating that viruses are the cause of infectious diseases.
Dr. Stefan Lanka's 2020 Article Busts the Virus Misconception:- April 20, 2021 - The virus misconception is at the heart of Operation Coronavirus, because without the concept of germ theory and without the horror story of the killer virus, most people would not buy the NWO-directed official narrative of COVID propaganda.
In a previous article on the nature of the virus, I have discussed the heroic efforts of German virologist Dr. Stefan Lanka, who won a landmark case in 2017 which went all the way to the German Supreme Court. Lanka proved in the highest court of the land that measles was not caused by a virus, and that there was in fact no such thing as a measles virus.
Lanka is still busy working, and he wrote this article earlier this year (translated into English here) entitled ““The Misconception called Virus”” in which he explains the history of how mainstream science went horribly wrong with its conclusions (really assumptions) to demonize the humble virus and to falsely ascribe pathogenicity to it when there is none.
The Virus Misconception: The Killer Virus Story vs. Deficiency and Toxicity Lanka’s main point throughout the article is this: when modern scientists are working with diseased tissue, they think the presence of a virus is causing the disease, instead of realizing that the tissue in question has been cut off and isolated from its host, then doused with antibiotics, and that this separation and poison make it diseased and kill it, rather than any virus. Lanka writes: “All claims about viruses as pathogens are wrong and are based on easily recognizable, understandable and verifiable misinterpretations …
All scientists who think they are working with viruses in laboratories are actually working with typical particles of specific dying tissues or cells which were prepared in a special way. They believe that those tissues and cells are dying because they were infected by a virus. In reality, the infected cells and tissues were dying because they were starved and poisoned as a consequence of the experiments in the lab.”
Further: ” … the death of the tissue and cells takes place in the exact same manner when no “infected” genetic material is added at all. The virologists have apparently not noticed this fact. According to … scientific logic and the rules of scientific conduct, control experiments should have been carried out. In order to confirm the newly discovered method of so-called “virus propagation” … scientists would have had to perform additional experiments, called negative control experiments, in which they would add sterile substances … to the cell culture.”
“These control experiments > have never been carried out by the official “science” to this day <. During the measles virus trial, I commissioned an independent laboratory to perform this control experiment and the result was that the tissues and cells die due to the laboratory conditions in the exact same way as when they come into contact with alleged “infected” material.”
Also, please see Christine Massey's excellent FOI research that also proves these facts - that viruses do not exist as no one can provide laboratory proof of them & COVID was simply a world-wide BS psyop.
Massey has a substack as well as a website (& is best friends with Steve Hirsch!) so check her out. :-)
fyi > Dr Stefan Lanka: The Misconception Called Virus (2020) - Archive
The Misconception called Virus . Measles as an example . Dr Stefan Lanka . Contrary to what most people believe, there are no pathogenic viruses. The claims about the existence of viruses and viral diseases are based on historic misinterpretations and not as i thought in the past - on fraud or deliberate deception.
You're great with the covid stuff. I love that, it's easy to read and something I can share. But you're showing your colors when you call your opponents "rookies". At the end of the day you're just another righteous "expert" laughing at the rest of us trying to do "science".
I'll doubt you're ever lay your eye on this comment, but for the record, fuck you.
"Why do we need another experiment? We have 100 years of data on the table. They just need to show that a majority of the papers published about viruses are likely to be explained by something else."
No. Science does not work by saying that we have believed 'x' for 100 years. Science works by having a hypothesis and then showing that it explains observations accurately. We ALWAYS need experiments.
"One experiment doesn’t negate 100 years of evidence."
YES, IT CAN! A well-designed experiment MIGHT prove that viruses don't exist. I don't think it will, and we have no proposals from the virus deniers for one, but IF they can prove their case, THEN 100 years of data would be negated.
I don't think the virus deniers are right, but true science is ALWAYS open to the possibility that it may be wrong, and that a paradigm shift may occur. It is up to the virus deniers to prove their case, of course, which they seem unwilling and unable to do, so they are probably wrong. Nevertheless, the correct attitude to take is that IF they provide good evidence that current beliefs are wrong, THEN they should be considered without bias.
There is no need for Tom Cowan, Mark Bailey, Sam Bailey, Andrew Kaufman, Christine Massey, and others to provide and alternative hypothesis, the burden of proof lies with the claimant; that's real science.
To all the virologists; "Show us the virus", metaphorically and scientifically speaking that is. First prove that viruses exist and then prove that the isolated and purified "virus" causes disease.
Not one virologist has ever done this. Virology is pseudoscience.
I think a different approach should be used and it can also be very interesting and helpful for the public to understand how research is conducted. I know a lot of insults and accusations have been made and I think that there are some people who are trying to stir up disagreement on purpose to break up opposition to the vaccine and tyranny. Please don't let that happen.
Maybe there could be some seminars (that I would pay to attend) that talks about how virologist do their experiments. I studied molecular and cell biology in college, have a bachelors degree, but this was decades ago. I never did research and would love to review.
I understand the hate of big pharma and the mandates and stuff and I think that hate is being thrust upon people who are trying to do good. If we fight each other they will win and more people may die. Little kids who have done nothing wrong who are being "vaccinated". I think we have to stop this tyranny. Germs don't mean that tyranny has right to exist. That is a false conclusion.
This over lawyered sophomorically composed rant filled with hyperbole and ad homs buries the real issue which is Koch’s and sashes around this pinnacle issue with "Virologists I’ve talked to all tell me that Koch’s postulates are outdated"
Just a brutal self own through out. Everything else is bluster and fluff.
Couple this with the pre adolescent "I'll bet ya! I'll bet ya!" and you get this disaster of a post.
Why do we need another experiment? Because the old experiments do not isolate the virus from the person carrying the disease. Thus, they do not prove that this particle alone is the causative agent of the disease.
"The entire premise is fraudulent. One experiment doesn’t negate 100 years of evidence." Yes it does, if the evidence does not support the theory.
"Lack of isolation doesn’t prove the object doesn’t exist." True, hypothetical particles could exist. But, you have to isolate them in order to prove that they do exist and in order to determine their properties.
"Why not use a gene sequencing test and skip the isolation?" Because gene sequencing doesn't tell you whether the genome forms part of a particular particle and whether this particle causes a particular disease.
The fundamental problem here is the Steve is not yet “awake”. He keeps referring to “over 100 years of scientific observations” as if profit motivated Rockefeller medicine has not been controlling the medical dialog on the subject with captured institutions and media for that long.
The highly credentialed are highly invested in the dogma that got them where they are- which they can hardly be blamed for. But until the ‘argument from authority’ is removed from the discussion, it goes nowhere.
I should believe in Higgs Bosons particles because some eggheads came up with a mathematical equation? I'll believe in flying pink unicorns first!
In my 59 years of life, I've learned to be suspicious of people who: have a lot of money and lord it over others; people who slander others; people who use complex formulas, models and theories to explain nature; people who worship dogma; people who take the side of the powerful; etc....
I'm glad he made that list. Now I know who I can trust and who I can't.
There are only three things that cause early death
1. Poison
2. Starvation (including malnutrition)
3. Trauma (physical and mental)
That's it. 99 percent of early deaths in America can be attributed to one or more of these three. You don't have to be an MIT spook or mathematician to know that if you take care of these three, you will live a long and healthy life. A child could see that.
We've all done our homework, Steve. I hope someone is keeping a list of the conspirators.
Steve, what you have proven venturing into "no virus" land, is that the intentional dumbing down of the American commoner has over achieved its goal. We are now close to being scientifically illiterate. "Brando, It's got electrolytes..."
I have a lot of respect for ancient healing methods and use them regularly. But to deny the advancements we've made in examining the microscopic world is just idiocracy.
This BS vomit is just "anti-science". From the outset all Kirch does is try to say no actual scientific experiment is necessary because "the science is [already] settled". Like when everyone "knew"(from Aristotle if I recall correctly) that a heavy object falls faster under gravity than a lighter one. Until Galileo dropped two dissimilar weighted objects from the top of the leaning tower of Pisa and they hit the ground at the same time. That is science. Kirch is full of something else.
> We have 100 years of scientific evidence that is all consistent with what virology teaches.
Of course that data is consistent with what virology teaches because virology is based on it. But what is the value of that data?
The Germ Theory has held up for more than 100 years, even though the inventor himself, Louis Pasteur, admitted towards the end of his life that it was wrong and based on fraudulent data.
Steve, your rant is absolutely pathetic. I shall not go through all your 24 points and the rest of it, but merely the fact that you elevate a clown like McCairn to a level of reliability says it all.
I saw his "discussion" with Dr. Mark Bailey about SARS-CoV-2, and it was an absolute charade. The guy had no sensible arguments to refute anything Mark said, he deflected constantly and brought up straw men, and in the end, reduced to absolute despair, all he could come up with were ad hominems against Mark.
The guy calls himself a scientist, but he likely bought his degree in the backstreets of New Delhi. If I had to employ him he might consider him as a toilet cleaner.
Using all manner of excuses, you guys refuse to engage in a public discussion with the Baileys et al. Why? Undoubtedly because you know you could not win the argument, you would be exposed for what your claims really are. Yes!! your claims: you guys make claims about the existence of viruses, yet you are not prepared to go all the way, discuss the scientific data and agree on experiments to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that your claim is reality.
It is laughable that as a non-medical person, not even a scientist in any way, you assume you can engage in a discussion about scientific experiments and are able to judge others' opinions, even though they more appropriately qualified than you.
And sure enough, like a good business man, you have to bring money into it in the form of a bet in order to settle the debate 🤣
Instead of publishing your frustration, why do you not participate in a public debate with "the other side"? And since you are a rich business man, a philanthropist no less, why do you not offer to pay for that "single method that is very hard, expensive, and time consuming"? And if there are other methods that could throw more light on the issue, demand that they be included too and finance them: surely those costs are just rounding errors in your books?
Would that not be a much more reliable way to settle the debate than going the Las Vegas-style gambling way with your $1 million proposal that you came up once?
But you have not thought along those lines: why not? TBH, I don't think there many reasons for that; I think there is only 1 reason: fear.
hmm.. why is there no comment here?
Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 6:37 AM - my comment here was liked by one of Steve's subscribers. Gone now?
So repetez s'il vous plait > Stefan Lanka, Ph.D. is a German micro-biologist and former virologist. Since the early 1990s he has been at the forefront speaking out about the pseudoscientific methods used to prove the existence of so-called viruses and challenging the medical theory stating that viruses are the cause of infectious diseases.
Dr. Stefan Lanka's 2020 Article Busts the Virus Misconception:- April 20, 2021 - The virus misconception is at the heart of Operation Coronavirus, because without the concept of germ theory and without the horror story of the killer virus, most people would not buy the NWO-directed official narrative of COVID propaganda.
In a previous article on the nature of the virus, I have discussed the heroic efforts of German virologist Dr. Stefan Lanka, who won a landmark case in 2017 which went all the way to the German Supreme Court. Lanka proved in the highest court of the land that measles was not caused by a virus, and that there was in fact no such thing as a measles virus.
Lanka is still busy working, and he wrote this article earlier this year (translated into English here) entitled ““The Misconception called Virus”” in which he explains the history of how mainstream science went horribly wrong with its conclusions (really assumptions) to demonize the humble virus and to falsely ascribe pathogenicity to it when there is none.
The Virus Misconception: The Killer Virus Story vs. Deficiency and Toxicity Lanka’s main point throughout the article is this: when modern scientists are working with diseased tissue, they think the presence of a virus is causing the disease, instead of realizing that the tissue in question has been cut off and isolated from its host, then doused with antibiotics, and that this separation and poison make it diseased and kill it, rather than any virus. Lanka writes: “All claims about viruses as pathogens are wrong and are based on easily recognizable, understandable and verifiable misinterpretations …
All scientists who think they are working with viruses in laboratories are actually working with typical particles of specific dying tissues or cells which were prepared in a special way. They believe that those tissues and cells are dying because they were infected by a virus. In reality, the infected cells and tissues were dying because they were starved and poisoned as a consequence of the experiments in the lab.”
Further: ” … the death of the tissue and cells takes place in the exact same manner when no “infected” genetic material is added at all. The virologists have apparently not noticed this fact. According to … scientific logic and the rules of scientific conduct, control experiments should have been carried out. In order to confirm the newly discovered method of so-called “virus propagation” … scientists would have had to perform additional experiments, called negative control experiments, in which they would add sterile substances … to the cell culture.”
“These control experiments > have never been carried out by the official “science” to this day <. During the measles virus trial, I commissioned an independent laboratory to perform this control experiment and the result was that the tissues and cells die due to the laboratory conditions in the exact same way as when they come into contact with alleged “infected” material.”
Also, please see Christine Massey's excellent FOI research that also proves these facts - that viruses do not exist as no one can provide laboratory proof of them & COVID was simply a world-wide BS psyop.
Massey has a substack as well as a website (& is best friends with Steve Hirsch!) so check her out. :-)
fyi > Dr Stefan Lanka: The Misconception Called Virus (2020) - Archive
https://ia903202.us.archive.org/4/items/dr-stefan-lanka-the-misconception-called-virus/Dr%20Stefan%20Lanka%20-%20The%20Misconception%20Called%20Virus%20%28Jan%202020%29_text.pdf
The Misconception called Virus . Measles as an example . Dr Stefan Lanka . Contrary to what most people believe, there are no pathogenic viruses. The claims about the existence of viruses and viral diseases are based on historic misinterpretations and not as i thought in the past - on fraud or deliberate deception.
You're great with the covid stuff. I love that, it's easy to read and something I can share. But you're showing your colors when you call your opponents "rookies". At the end of the day you're just another righteous "expert" laughing at the rest of us trying to do "science".
I'll doubt you're ever lay your eye on this comment, but for the record, fuck you.
"Why do we need another experiment? We have 100 years of data on the table. They just need to show that a majority of the papers published about viruses are likely to be explained by something else."
No. Science does not work by saying that we have believed 'x' for 100 years. Science works by having a hypothesis and then showing that it explains observations accurately. We ALWAYS need experiments.
"One experiment doesn’t negate 100 years of evidence."
YES, IT CAN! A well-designed experiment MIGHT prove that viruses don't exist. I don't think it will, and we have no proposals from the virus deniers for one, but IF they can prove their case, THEN 100 years of data would be negated.
I don't think the virus deniers are right, but true science is ALWAYS open to the possibility that it may be wrong, and that a paradigm shift may occur. It is up to the virus deniers to prove their case, of course, which they seem unwilling and unable to do, so they are probably wrong. Nevertheless, the correct attitude to take is that IF they provide good evidence that current beliefs are wrong, THEN they should be considered without bias.
There is no need for Tom Cowan, Mark Bailey, Sam Bailey, Andrew Kaufman, Christine Massey, and others to provide and alternative hypothesis, the burden of proof lies with the claimant; that's real science.
To all the virologists; "Show us the virus", metaphorically and scientifically speaking that is. First prove that viruses exist and then prove that the isolated and purified "virus" causes disease.
Not one virologist has ever done this. Virology is pseudoscience.
I think a different approach should be used and it can also be very interesting and helpful for the public to understand how research is conducted. I know a lot of insults and accusations have been made and I think that there are some people who are trying to stir up disagreement on purpose to break up opposition to the vaccine and tyranny. Please don't let that happen.
Maybe there could be some seminars (that I would pay to attend) that talks about how virologist do their experiments. I studied molecular and cell biology in college, have a bachelors degree, but this was decades ago. I never did research and would love to review.
I understand the hate of big pharma and the mandates and stuff and I think that hate is being thrust upon people who are trying to do good. If we fight each other they will win and more people may die. Little kids who have done nothing wrong who are being "vaccinated". I think we have to stop this tyranny. Germs don't mean that tyranny has right to exist. That is a false conclusion.
Pummeled in the comments and rightly so.
This over lawyered sophomorically composed rant filled with hyperbole and ad homs buries the real issue which is Koch’s and sashes around this pinnacle issue with "Virologists I’ve talked to all tell me that Koch’s postulates are outdated"
Just a brutal self own through out. Everything else is bluster and fluff.
Couple this with the pre adolescent "I'll bet ya! I'll bet ya!" and you get this disaster of a post.
Michael Yeadon is also listed as subsciber under their "SETTLING THE VIRUS DEBATE" paper.
This is the real question: why do you get so triggered? Why are you so upset about them wanting to perform a specific set of tests?
Why do we need another experiment? Because the old experiments do not isolate the virus from the person carrying the disease. Thus, they do not prove that this particle alone is the causative agent of the disease.
"The entire premise is fraudulent. One experiment doesn’t negate 100 years of evidence." Yes it does, if the evidence does not support the theory.
"Lack of isolation doesn’t prove the object doesn’t exist." True, hypothetical particles could exist. But, you have to isolate them in order to prove that they do exist and in order to determine their properties.
"Why not use a gene sequencing test and skip the isolation?" Because gene sequencing doesn't tell you whether the genome forms part of a particular particle and whether this particle causes a particular disease.
Is this the best you can do?
The fundamental problem here is the Steve is not yet “awake”. He keeps referring to “over 100 years of scientific observations” as if profit motivated Rockefeller medicine has not been controlling the medical dialog on the subject with captured institutions and media for that long.
The highly credentialed are highly invested in the dogma that got them where they are- which they can hardly be blamed for. But until the ‘argument from authority’ is removed from the discussion, it goes nowhere.
I should believe in Higgs Bosons particles because some eggheads came up with a mathematical equation? I'll believe in flying pink unicorns first!
In my 59 years of life, I've learned to be suspicious of people who: have a lot of money and lord it over others; people who slander others; people who use complex formulas, models and theories to explain nature; people who worship dogma; people who take the side of the powerful; etc....
I'm glad he made that list. Now I know who I can trust and who I can't.
There are only three things that cause early death
1. Poison
2. Starvation (including malnutrition)
3. Trauma (physical and mental)
That's it. 99 percent of early deaths in America can be attributed to one or more of these three. You don't have to be an MIT spook or mathematician to know that if you take care of these three, you will live a long and healthy life. A child could see that.
We've all done our homework, Steve. I hope someone is keeping a list of the conspirators.
You are becoming one of the greatest gatekeepers of them all. Your lies betray you and it's clear for most to see.
Steve, what you have proven venturing into "no virus" land, is that the intentional dumbing down of the American commoner has over achieved its goal. We are now close to being scientifically illiterate. "Brando, It's got electrolytes..."
I have a lot of respect for ancient healing methods and use them regularly. But to deny the advancements we've made in examining the microscopic world is just idiocracy.
This BS vomit is just "anti-science". From the outset all Kirch does is try to say no actual scientific experiment is necessary because "the science is [already] settled". Like when everyone "knew"(from Aristotle if I recall correctly) that a heavy object falls faster under gravity than a lighter one. Until Galileo dropped two dissimilar weighted objects from the top of the leaning tower of Pisa and they hit the ground at the same time. That is science. Kirch is full of something else.