Interesting point about the silly reasons employers are now giving to require the vaccine to protect yourself... when I objected to the testing requirement by saying that I had positive antibodies, they said that antibodies don't matter because I should get the vaccine. But I have a religious exemption, I made it pretty darn clear I'm not getting the vaccine. This is a university... but they wouldn't know science if it smacked them in the face.
Since the viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated are identical, wouldn't that mean that forcing the unvaccinated to undergo regular testing is discriminatory under the ADA?
Could lawsuits be filed for instances where employers mandate discriminatory testing for unvaccinated?
Steve, the vaccine mandates are nonsensical because the vaccines don't even seem to protect the people who are most vulnerable to COVID. In Ontario, the media and government proudly break down the vaccination status of cases of COVID, but never break down the status of people in the ICUs or deaths. At least not publicly. I stumbled upon the weekly surveillance reports published by the government, and boy does it not look good for the vaccine. Check out Figures 7a and 7b and tell me there isn't something wrong here.
Keep in mind we had a slow initial rollout of the vaccine in Canada due to supply issues/whatever, and it wasn't until early June that we even had 1 million fully vaccinated people, so most people were unvaccinated over this time period. My interpretation is that the vaccines don't even protect the elderly from COVID, and given how high the numbers are for "partially vaccinated" and the implied one month delay between doses, it seems like taking taking the vaccine could potentially make you MORE likely to get hospitalized and die with COVID. That would seem to align with the (misrepresented) conclusion of this paper here.
The authors concluded "Increased risks of haematological and vascular events that led to hospital admission or death were observed for short time intervals after first doses of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and BNT162b2 mRNA vaccines. The risks of most of these events were substantially higher and more prolonged after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after vaccination in the same population." But if you look at the Appendix, you can see that from the design of the study, that everyone including the COVID cases had received one dose. So their conclusion really says that getting COVID after one dose of the vaccine has worse outcomes than just getting one dose of the vaccine. What a scam.
Great article. Sadly the world governments are not listening. Austria has just announced they may impose a nationwide lockdown for the unvaccinated by this coming Monday. Our Canadian mainstream news breathlessly ran this story this morning. Every day I get up and imagine it can't get any worse and yet it does.
This Wisconsin study shows viral loads statistically significantly higher in asymptomatic vaccinated vs. asymptomatic unvaccinated but the sample size is relatively small.
Also Robert Reich just posted a Facebook post blaming the "unvaccinated". I used to think he was intelligent and knew that there is enormous govt corruption, since he had been in it, so his post is pretty shocking to me.
"if you have had COVID, you should be exempt from both vaccine mandates and testing" I would argue that everyone should be exempt, regardless, and that no one be subjected to totalitarian fascist tyranny.
And, we aren't doing what Joe Biden wants, Joe Biden is doing what Pfizer wants. Fascism is tyranny of the ultra-wealthy via their control of government.
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In regard to the vaccines producing antibodies, I've been suggesting to my friends eager to vaccinate their kids that at the very least they get their antibodies tested first. The only one who was able to do it was in Europe with her child at the time, and discovered he had antibodies. He won't be vaccinated and was able to travel back to the U.S. without getting a swab up his nostril. The U.S. pediatricians said, "Antibody tests are flawed. You shouldn't rely on them." I wonder if they looked at Pfizer's clinical trials on 5-11?
In regard to viral loads, the response I've received is generally that vaccinated people are still less likely to become infected, and when breakthrough infections occur, they clear the virus more rapidly. (source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2786040.) I believe this may have been true in June-July, when the data was collected, but wonder if the results would stand up today.
No one should be mandated to take a "vaccine" for a virus with a global IFR of 0.15% and very well-defined high risk cohorts and early treatment options.
That's especially true since the "vaccine" doesn't stop infection or transmission of the virus.
I don't support mandates, but this argument is not sound. The study started with infected people, so it can't measure any differences in the probability, related to vaccination status, of getting infected in the first place. Indeed, nobody seems to have data that bear on this question. _IF_ vaccination significantly decreases the odds of an infection -- as the CDC is telling us, and many believe -- and _if_ the vaccines were as safe as they claim, then I think one could make a case for mandates.
Interesting point about the silly reasons employers are now giving to require the vaccine to protect yourself... when I objected to the testing requirement by saying that I had positive antibodies, they said that antibodies don't matter because I should get the vaccine. But I have a religious exemption, I made it pretty darn clear I'm not getting the vaccine. This is a university... but they wouldn't know science if it smacked them in the face.
Since the viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated are identical, wouldn't that mean that forcing the unvaccinated to undergo regular testing is discriminatory under the ADA?
Could lawsuits be filed for instances where employers mandate discriminatory testing for unvaccinated?
Peer review is overhyped, but it would still be prudent to note that the viral load paper hasn't been reviewed yet.
Steve, the vaccine mandates are nonsensical because the vaccines don't even seem to protect the people who are most vulnerable to COVID. In Ontario, the media and government proudly break down the vaccination status of cases of COVID, but never break down the status of people in the ICUs or deaths. At least not publicly. I stumbled upon the weekly surveillance reports published by the government, and boy does it not look good for the vaccine. Check out Figures 7a and 7b and tell me there isn't something wrong here.
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?sc_lang=en
Keep in mind we had a slow initial rollout of the vaccine in Canada due to supply issues/whatever, and it wasn't until early June that we even had 1 million fully vaccinated people, so most people were unvaccinated over this time period. My interpretation is that the vaccines don't even protect the elderly from COVID, and given how high the numbers are for "partially vaccinated" and the implied one month delay between doses, it seems like taking taking the vaccine could potentially make you MORE likely to get hospitalized and die with COVID. That would seem to align with the (misrepresented) conclusion of this paper here.
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931
The authors concluded "Increased risks of haematological and vascular events that led to hospital admission or death were observed for short time intervals after first doses of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and BNT162b2 mRNA vaccines. The risks of most of these events were substantially higher and more prolonged after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after vaccination in the same population." But if you look at the Appendix, you can see that from the design of the study, that everyone including the COVID cases had received one dose. So their conclusion really says that getting COVID after one dose of the vaccine has worse outcomes than just getting one dose of the vaccine. What a scam.
"21 Studies Showing Vaccine Mandates Aren’t Based on Science"
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/science-studies-covid-vaccine-mandates/
Great article. Sadly the world governments are not listening. Austria has just announced they may impose a nationwide lockdown for the unvaccinated by this coming Monday. Our Canadian mainstream news breathlessly ran this story this morning. Every day I get up and imagine it can't get any worse and yet it does.
This Wisconsin study shows viral loads statistically significantly higher in asymptomatic vaccinated vs. asymptomatic unvaccinated but the sample size is relatively small.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v4.full.pdf
The word is getting out the shots do not prevent infections, transmissions, hospitalizations, or deaths, so now Big Pharma & the media are coming up with new lies about why this is the fault of the "unvaccinated". This showed up in my feed this morning: https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-covid-cases-are-surging-in-states-with-high-vaccination-rates-and-what-it-means-for-the-winter-ahead-204548703.html
Also Robert Reich just posted a Facebook post blaming the "unvaccinated". I used to think he was intelligent and knew that there is enormous govt corruption, since he had been in it, so his post is pretty shocking to me.
"if you have had COVID, you should be exempt from both vaccine mandates and testing" I would argue that everyone should be exempt, regardless, and that no one be subjected to totalitarian fascist tyranny.
And, we aren't doing what Joe Biden wants, Joe Biden is doing what Pfizer wants. Fascism is tyranny of the ultra-wealthy via their control of government.
"Is there a hidden benefit that the vaccinated are less likely to get infected?"
The UK Health Security Agency has reported a higher rate of infection in the fully vaxxed age 30 and older for the last six weeks.
79.7% of the deaths recorded in the latest report (week 45) were in the fully vaxxed. 17.1% were in the unvaxxed.
The UK is highly vaxxed. They've used AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. And the human immune system works the same on either side of the pond.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports
The CDC is either lying or incompetent or both.
I am a paid subscriber to several substack accounts - this one, Berenson, Hart and Eugyppius. My subscriptions were set up with my gmail account. Suddenly this week I have been unable to like any posts and I cannot view or make any comments on any of the posts. Is anyone else experiencing this?
I logged on here as a "free" reader without a subscription to post this comment. I'm switching to proton mail. Can anyone tell me how to change the email address on my substack subscriptions?
In regard to the vaccines producing antibodies, I've been suggesting to my friends eager to vaccinate their kids that at the very least they get their antibodies tested first. The only one who was able to do it was in Europe with her child at the time, and discovered he had antibodies. He won't be vaccinated and was able to travel back to the U.S. without getting a swab up his nostril. The U.S. pediatricians said, "Antibody tests are flawed. You shouldn't rely on them." I wonder if they looked at Pfizer's clinical trials on 5-11?
In regard to viral loads, the response I've received is generally that vaccinated people are still less likely to become infected, and when breakthrough infections occur, they clear the virus more rapidly. (source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2786040.) I believe this may have been true in June-July, when the data was collected, but wonder if the results would stand up today.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo!
No one should be mandated to take a "vaccine" for a virus with a global IFR of 0.15% and very well-defined high risk cohorts and early treatment options.
That's especially true since the "vaccine" doesn't stop infection or transmission of the virus.
I don't support mandates, but this argument is not sound. The study started with infected people, so it can't measure any differences in the probability, related to vaccination status, of getting infected in the first place. Indeed, nobody seems to have data that bear on this question. _IF_ vaccination significantly decreases the odds of an infection -- as the CDC is telling us, and many believe -- and _if_ the vaccines were as safe as they claim, then I think one could make a case for mandates.
Agreed. So when will this nightmare be over? Almost 2 years and despite all the exposed fraud and racketeering there is no end in sight
Big protest on the Golden Gate Bridge tonight